Ivan interrupted Grindelwald’s words impatiently. "Are you going to say that you just lost in Dumbledore’s hands? But I heard the principal say that before he did it, you were already determined to lose."

"That’s not necessarily. If he chose to stand on my side at the beginning, then everything would go on according to my plan." Grindelwald said gloomily. "It is precisely because those who rebel know that there are wizards in this world that can match me, that they have the courage to fight me to the end."

"This can only mean that wizards who expect to get along with Muggles on an equal footing are still in the majority." Ivan said.

"Equality?" Grindelwald couldn’t help laughing, and then said. "There has never been such a thing in this world. It’s just a lie made by Muggles!"

"Even if there are no wizards, Muggles always try to use their power and wealth to distinguish themselves from others. They even enjoy the feeling of stepping on their feet, vainly trying to stay on top forever!"

"In the past, these people were called hereditary aristocrats, but now they are the heirs of politicians and big chaebols...it’s nothing more than a different name."

"Since there is always someone to be on top, why can’t you let more suitable and better people come?"

"No matter how much power and wealth those Muggle elites have, they are not fundamentally different from other Muggles..."

"But the wizard is different!"

Speaking of this, Grindelwald could not help accentuating the pitch a little, and the bell-like voice resounded from the top of the tower. "We are born with magical powers. We can fool and control Muggles at will. This is the right God bestows on you and me!"

"We are born rulers, and wizards are born noble!" Grindelwald said word by word.

Listening to Grindelwald’s words, Ivan couldn’t help but want to clap his hands and applaud. "Amazing, I think if you go out now and hold a large gathering in England, you will definitely gain a lot of believers..."

Ivan can be regarded as understanding why Grindelwald was able to attract a large number of believers in Europe a few decades ago, setting off a frenzy.

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Just this sentence of wizards who are students and noble is enough to make those young wizards who have not been involved in the world become enthusiastic.

"They chose to follow me, but because I told them what they wanted and did what they always wanted to do, nothing more." Grindelwald said calmly.

"So you think that wizards have magical powers and are born superior. Yiping, who inherited magical powers, should continue to rule?" Ivan shook his head. "But even two wizards have the possibility of dumb cannons."

"A dumb cannon that can’t cast spells is equivalent to a Muggle. If two Muggles give birth to a wizard, then I gladly accept him as one of us!" Grindelwald explained.

Regarding the ability to cast spells as the only criterion for level, Grindelwald’s cruelty far exceeded Ivan’s expectations, he couldn’t help but sneered. "You have divided the wizards and Muggles into hierarchies, nothing more than your own ambitions, in order to be able to rule the world at a high level..."

"Not only for selfish desire, but also for the future of wizards and magic world, I don’t think these two conflict, do they?" Grindelwald did not deny, but said generously. "The so-called class was not created by me. It has always been there. Whether you want to admit it or not, I only let more suitable people stay where they should be."

"Perhaps..." Ivan said nonchalantly, drawing a line from Grindelwald in his heart.

He originally felt that the other party’s behavior against the entire magical world with his own power in order to change is very tragic.

But now it does not seem to be the case. Grindelwald is an extremely dangerous careerist, and the Dark Lord deserves his name.

Had Grindelwald stayed in this tower peacefully for decades, and had been affected by the black magic for a long time, Ivan would have been prepared to carefully consider whether or not to get rid of him here altogether.

"That’s it for today, thank you for answering these questions for me." Ivan gently waved his wand to put away the dinner plate, and then said. "Starting from tonight, I will let the house elf Shining be responsible for delivering meals to you. If there is anything in need, you can tell it that Shining will try to meet your reasonable requirements..."

After speaking, Ivan ignored whether Grindelwald agreed, and walked straight to the door.

Just as Ivan stepped out of the door, Grindelwald’s voice suddenly came from behind. "You either stand with your compatriots and fight for their interests, or you choose to abandon them. There is no third possibility."

"It’s not necessarily...before something is done, some people always think that it is impractical." Ivan didn’t look back, but responded casually, and a burst of flames all over his body disappeared out of thin air.

...

After returning to Hogwarts from NeumongaardIvan immediately invited Shining and arranged the task of delivering food. By the way, the house elf was responsible for monitoring Grindelwald’s actions. A move.

This was undoubtedly a dangerous man. More importantly, Dumbledore didn’t seem to place too many restrictions on Grindelwald. The opponent didn’t even have a pair of magic shackles on his hands.

For more than fifty years, Grindelwald has stayed honestly in Numengaard. Is it possible to rely on consciousness?

Ivan never believes this, because from previous contacts, Grindelwald is not a peaceful person. The long imprisonment has not been able to erase Grindelwald’s ambitions, otherwise he would not attempt to use words. Bewitching yourself.

Or is it that Grindelwald once made a vow that he would never leave Neumongaard, so he was bound by the power of the magic contract?

Ivan didn’t know it. Fortunately, this time the goal of going to Newmontgard was achieved smoothly. He finally figured out the reason why Dumbledore was able to stick to the end of the year and didn’t fight Grindelwald in the middle. .

After arranging Shining’s task, Ivan temporarily set aside this matter and turned all his energy to the study of Horcruxes. This was the first problem to be solved.

Thinking about this, Ivan hurried back to Gryffindor’s lounge, ready to take a look at the books that he had previously taken out of the forbidden area.

But when passing by the hall, Ivan collided with Harry who was hurrying.

At the moment he saw Ivan, Harry suddenly felt his eyes light up, grabbed Ivan’s arm, and said breathlessly. "Quick... Ivan, I’m looking for you, I just dreamt about it again..."

"What did you dream about?" Ivan was stunned, then reacted, frowning and said. "You are in Voldemort’s brain again?"